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AP voter says LSU can't drop out of No. 1

Posted on: December 7, 2011 1:39 pm

Erik Gee believes LSU can’t lose.

Oh, the Tigers can score fewer points than Alabama in the BCS title game but they can’t lose his No. 1 vote. They’ve done enough. That’s Gee’s belief and he intends reinforce it with his Associated Press ballot.

The 39-year old radio host in Albuquerque, N.M. is going to vote LSU No. 1 pretty much win or lose following the BCS title game.

“It would have to be something like a 63-0 pasting [by Alabama],” for Gee to change his mind, he told this week.

His is a stance we haven’t heard of this week as talk of a split national championship starts to bubble up. Now we have a face and a name and reasons why LSU should stay No. 1 in AP. That’s the only place it could happen, by the way, if Alabama wins. The coaches’ No. 1 vote is committed to the BCS title game winner, although there have been some defectors among voting coaches over the years.

“They’ve beaten Alabama once, what else do they need to do?” Gee said of LSU.

“I honestly feel this is the first year somebody is getting screwed by the system because they beat a team on the road, won the division, won the conference and now the system is saying, ‘Play it again, this time on a neutral field.’ “

This is the first time in BCS history two teams from the same conference have met. It is the third time a team that hasn’t won its conference is playing for the title. Complicating matters is No. 1 LSU being asked to beat No. 2 Alabama again after winning the SEC and beating eight ranked teams, three of them in the top three.

Gee’s opinion shouldn’t be a shock. We have seen weirder things – this week. Nick Saban conspicuously voted Oklahoma State No. 4, seemingly attempting to hold the Cowboys underwater so they couldn’t challenge his Tide for No. 2. No coach voted Alabama lower than third. Five coaches voted Oklahoma State lower than third.

Since LSU won the SEC title game Saturday there has been some talk of a split national championship, but not in detail. Oklahoma State finished behind No. 2 Alabama by the closest margin (.0086 of a point) since the BCS formula was changed in 2004. The last split national title occurred in 2003 when USC remained No. 1 in AP. LSU, which beat Oklahoma in the Sugar Bowl, won the BCS title.

Gee graduated from Oklahoma but his second choice for college was LSU. He considers himself a passionate and educated college football fan. On Sunday, he voted Oklahoma State No. 2 in his latest AP ballot.

“Not because I believe they deserve to play in the national championship but because I believe they and Alabama should get to play for [second place]. LSU should get to kick back and watch everyone else make fools of themselves.”

As for the realistic chances of a split national championship? So far, Gee seems to have a lot of support.  For the last four weeks, all 60 voters were unanimous in voting LSU No. 1. Would a close Alabama win -- say, three points -- convince the majority of those 60 to keep LSU at No. 1?

“I think the majority of them [voters] would vote Alabama No. 1 [if the Tide won],” Gee said. “But if it’s a close game, there’s enough of them out there to go, ‘I’m not changing the vote.’ “

You want more? Listen to Gee on “The Sports Bar” weekdays from 3-7 p.m. on KNML in Albuquerque.

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Since: Nov 12, 2011
Posted on: December 10, 2011 3:14 pm

AP voter says LSU can't drop out of No. 1


"Playoff would be awesome and fun; but I think playoffs as a FIX for the current ISSUES is only wishful thinking."

Since: Nov 12, 2011
Posted on: December 10, 2011 3:03 pm

AP voter says LSU can't drop out of No. 1

Agreed rjscarcelli, with one caviot. How or who decides the top four teams? The problem we have now is the voting is more than just subjective, but votes are cast to manipulate the overall outcome based on the matchups people want to see, not who has had the best season, or who is the best team (two very different standards which no one can really decide as to what the ranking are supposed to represent). I'm not against the 4 +1 model, but I don't think that it will solve any of the problems we have now. As a matter of fact, I think more teams can claim they are a top 4 team than a top 2 team. That means we'll have even more Chris Petersens complaining that they voting isn't fair.

Just think if the season ended before Alabama and Arkansas played. 1, 2 and 3 would have all been SEC West teams. But was Arkansas really a number 3 team, or were they voted there so they matchup with Alabama and Arkansas would be a better storyline? If the voters came to the last round of voting with the SEC West having the numbers 1, 2 and 3 teams, the team in third place would probably be sabotaged so another conference would be represented in the playoffs. Wasn't there a year where the teams ahead of Georgia all won on the last week of the season, Georgia didn't play but Georgia jumped in the BCS because of this type of sabotage voting so they got a BCS bid? I really think that going to a 4 team playoff just gives more opportunity for manipulation and sabotage voting and more people complaining which is really too bad.

Playoff would be awesome and fun; but I think playoffs as a FIX for the current season is only wishful thinking.

Since: Nov 12, 2011
Posted on: December 10, 2011 2:45 pm

AP voter says LSU can't drop out of No. 1

I'm surprised so many people hold LSU in so much higher regard than Alabama. Saying that since LSU won the first meeting gives them the National Championship even if Alabama wins the game seems kind of narrow minded. Yes, LSU won 9-6 in overtime at Alabama's home field, but the game was very close:

Alabama won the first downs battle.
Alabama had a higher 3rd down efficiency.
Alabama ran more plays for more yards.
LSU won the rushing battle by 52 years.
Alabama won the passing battle by 108 yards.
LSU had more penalties.
Alabama has more penalty yards.
Time of possession was only in Alabama's favor by 12 seconds.

The first game was basically a coin toss. And if you really want to get picky about it, it could easily be argued that the game was given away by Alabama with its missed field goals more than LSU winning the game by their performance.

I think it is great that they are playing again. I'd even support having the score 9-6 at the beginning of the game and just let them play another 60 minutes to decide the title. You got two coaches that I'm sure are chomping at the bit to get at each other again, and now that they have played each ther once, I'm looking forward to seeing how they approach the rematch strategically.

Game on!

Since: Dec 30, 2007
Posted on: December 10, 2011 2:08 pm

AP voter says LSU can't drop out of No. 1

OKST couldn't even beat Iowa State.....They could and should have lost to Kansas State and Texas A&M, yet you think that would destroy LSU. LSU beat EVERYONE they played. Alabama beat EVERYONE they played excet for LSU.....Both teams did with EASE except for LSU's win over the Tide, which was in OT. Two best teams in the nation, BAR NONE......OKST had it's path laid out, and LOST to a 28 point underdog, which killed its chances at the BCS game. Can't see how yu can say the Tide is undeserving with the same record as OKST, but with its lose a much tougher lose then OKST. Without either team losing, ALABAMA was ahead of OKST in the polls. They lose to LSU and you lose to IOWA STATE, and you want me to beleive that OKST should JUMP Alabama......Really ???? Really ???? Sounds like just a bunch of whining. I would have bee disappointed if the Tide hadn't gotte to play OKST, but would have understood that some people wanted to see how LSU would do against OKST. I would have not been mad or jealous, besides, it's just a football game, right ????? Reagrdless of how you or I feel, Alabama is in the game and has a chance to win it all, OKST can finish no better then #2........RTR !!!!!!

Since: Dec 30, 2007
Posted on: December 10, 2011 1:53 pm

AP voter says LSU can't drop out of No. 1

Then by this thought process, pull Wisconsin out of the Rose bowl because Michigan State won the 1st time around, they shouldn't have played. It is very rare when the two best teams play in the same conference, much less the same division. Heck, throw Arkansas in there and you could have 3 of the top 8 or 9 teams in the nation in the same division. Oklahoma State had the path to create their own destiny, beat Iowa State and they were in. Alabama or LSU would suffer a loss regardless who won.....because they HAD to play each other. I realize that this year is apparently a fluke, but in the next few years, as the leagues are becoming more and more even, it won't be surprising to see it again. Conference championships also play into this as well......You have a chance of two great teams, but one WILL lose to the other, knocking them out of the race. Alabama was out of the race until OKST, Oregon, Clemson and Stanford all lost. With conference title game losses, their is NO time for others to lose and make up ground. I SAY BRING ON THE PLAYOFFS....TOP 4 TEAMS TO PLAY EACH OTHER IN BOWLS (1-4, 2-3), THEN WINNERS PLAY TO DECIDE THE TITLE....

Since: Feb 26, 2007
Posted on: December 8, 2011 9:58 pm

AP voter says LSU can't drop out of No. 1

I agree. Based on the so-called "spirit" of the BCS and bowl system, LSU has proven themselves to be the best team in the country regardless of what happens in the BCS championship. If they lose...

LSU beats Alabama at home
Alabama beats LSU on a neutral field

LSU is still > Alabama

Case closed. The "game of the century" early in the year really was the game of the century. It decided the National Champion before the postseason even began. And Richardson wins the Heisman with a subpar performance.

I love college football! Foot in mouth      

Since: May 11, 2007
Posted on: December 8, 2011 8:33 pm

AP voter says LSU can't drop out of No. 1

The reason Alabama shouldn`t be in this game. LSU beat them already. Of course I can see the reason why they`re there though. If they had Oklahoma St. in the tittle game, that offense would have distroyed that precious sec team, and they couldn`t let that happen. And now they get an undeserving bama team, just so the BCS clowns can have another sec team win the "mythical" national championship.

Since: Oct 28, 2007
Posted on: December 8, 2011 8:28 pm

AP voter says LSU can't drop out of No. 1

I agree, the two best teams are playing. I love the point made below if you had a 64 team tournament, you'd have Alabama versus LSU at the end.  But I have to question the fairness of a team getting a second chance who lost at home to the team they are getting to plsy again.  Let me do another hypothetical:  Let's say Bama was in the SEC East.  They lost to LSU in OT during the regular season, at home.  They play again in Atlanta in the SEC title game.  They lose in triple overtime.  They are, far and away, the 1B team ( I wouldn't call them number 2, if they played a hundred times, it might be 50-50).  Do they now get a third chance? Before another team gets a first?

Since: Jan 3, 2007
Posted on: December 8, 2011 8:19 pm

AP voter says LSU can't drop out of No. 1

for one this guy is an idiot and dodd is right there with him. Second, Saban didn't conspicuously vote OK st at number 4. He had them at five the week before, VT lost, so they moved up one spot where VT was. pretty simple. other coaches voted them the same way. He doesn't have to change belief just because the media outcries that they are the second best team because two coaches the Football players probably never met died that week. third, there is NO SUCH THING AS A SPLIT CHAMPION since the BCS was put in place. The University presidents voted in favor of the BCS as the only awarding body, thus the AP doesn't count anymore. it just creates a bunch of buzz before the season starts and that is it. And lastly, Bama is in this game, because if you watched the first game, not only did Bama take them to overtime in a toe to toe slobberknocker, they actually outplayed the Bayou Bengal Tigers. The Tigers got lucky in that one and you need some luck to win the NC. Look at aubie last year and Bama the year before, each had some luck go their way their year. That is why Bama is in the game, they are the only ones who can beat them and should have the first time. oh well. if you put ok st in the game, it would be the same thing as Oregon/ LSu. it would be abeatdown. the voters got it right. it is about the TWO BEST TEAMS.

Since: Aug 21, 2008
Posted on: December 8, 2011 7:32 pm

No Split Title

I dont know why we are talking about a split national championship. There is no such thing. The BCS is the system the teams adopted. That title is the only one that matters. I know the media likes to continue to think their vote matters, but it doesnt. Not one bit. It used to matter a little bit when it was part of the BCS equation.. But they dropped out. The AP title means about as much as an opinion of an 8 year old. And there hasnt been a split title since the BCS was adopted, not even when Dodd is refering. Remember, that season never happened. <br />

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