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Week 14 Power Poll: Oklahoma State over Bama

Posted on: December 4, 2011 8:48 am
 

There’s just something wrong about a team that didn’t win its division getting a national championship berth while sitting on the couch.

Such was Alabama’s fate on Saturday. The Tide seemingly got to New Orleans without lifting a weight, running a lap or repping a play on the last day of the season. Look, I don’t have a Dawg in the hunt – neither does Georgia – but there is something weird about that.

All props to the Tide to getting to their second national championship game in three years. Alabama perhaps had the “best” loss of any team behind LSU. But the best thing Bama had going for it on Saturday was Nick Saban. There are worst spokesman to have.

As the regular season closes, the Power Poll is going with Oklahoma State at No. 2 and Bama at No. 3. We’ve got a month to debate. Fire away.



1. LSU – Closed out with combined 83-3 rallies against Arkansas and Georgia.
2. Oklahoma State – Won conference. Handed Bob Stoops his second-worst loss. Beat five ranked teams.
3. Alabama – Didn’t win division. Lost at home to LSU while missing four field goals and throwing two interceptions.
4. Stanford – Best era in Cardinal history? 23-2 last two seasons under two coaches. More than just Andrew Luck.
5. Arkansas – Please, Garrick McGee, you can do better than UAB.
6. Boise State – Kellen Moore lost three games in his career by a total of five points.
7. USC – Lane Kiffin, Pac-12 coach of the year.
8. Oregon – Time for Ducks to step up in third consecutive BCS bowl.
9. Wisconsin – Montee Ball’s 38 total touchdowns more than 52 teams.
10. Michigan – First Sugar Bowl since 1984?
11. South Carolina – Spurrier best coaching job of his career?
12. Kansas State – Look who finished second in the Big 12.
13. Virginia Tech – It’s called the ACC title game. Your supposed to show up for it.
14. Baylor – “I could be wrong but I think Baylor won its first Heisman tonight,” RGIII.
15. TCU – So Gary Patterson's defense didn’t finish No. 1. So what? Frogs rebound to win 10 in “off” year.
16. Southern Miss – Furious Bradley scoop and scored for Southern Miss. That should have been the first sign that Houston was in for an upset.
17. Houston – Looked distracted by coach’s job rumors. Looked entitled playing for CUSA at home.
18. Georgia – Should have stopped and taken team picture with “10-0” on the scoreboard in the background vs. LSU.
19. Clemson – Those are the Tigers we knew before November.
20. Oklahoma – Landry Jones slumped badly this season.
21. Michigan State – The wait for the Rose Bowl enters its 24<sup>th</sup> year.
22. Nebraska – DC Carl Pelini reportedly leaving for Florida Atlantic.
23. West Virginia – Yes, this is the Big East and, yes, this particular tri-champion is ranked.
24. Florida State – Looking back, Atlantic Division was decided on Sept. 24 in five-point loss at Clemson.
25. Cincinnati  -- There’s a reason Butch Jones is getting all these job mentions.  

Category: NCAAF
Comments

Since: Oct 28, 2011
Posted on: December 7, 2011 7:29 am
 

Week 14 Power Poll: Oklahoma State over Bama

Cunnigham 101,
We'll see when Oklahoma State defeats Stanford next month.




Since: Oct 18, 2009
Posted on: December 5, 2011 11:20 pm
 

Week 14 Power Poll: Oklahoma State over Bama

Dodd you are dead wring on this one because the OSU schedule was severely overrated and OSU is #5 at best. OSU is the only 1 loss team to lose to an unranked team. Bama is the only one loss team to lose to a team ranked higher than them. BUt since all of you keep talking about quality wins, let us deflate the bias rankings of the Big 12 and not only just look at a team and say, "Oh they must be quality", but let us go one level deeper. Where quality is determined by who beat the team being called quality. Then you will se ethat OSU only has 1 quality win and should be ranked no higher than #5.

Here you go with REAL stats and no conference or computer bias.

Part of the problem is what the computers define as a QUALITY win or loss. For example, there are some teams that should not be in the Top 25 and only are because of the computers. Namely Texas (who had a losing record in conference) and Missouri who finally dropped out after this weekend. Now you can make a similar argument for why Auburn is in the Top 25 with a 500 conference record, BUT they did beat a Top 10 team (South Carolina) on the road. In addition, there are a couple of teams that are not in the Top 25 because Alabama beat them. That said, let’s examine REAL quality wins, quality losses, and real game stats and see who comes out right in the polls.  

To determine a REAL quality win, that is determined by not just where the team beaten currently ranks, but also by who beat that team being considered quality OR if a team has more than 3 losses, then that is not a quality win. Any win over a Top 10 team is quality. If that team beaten is not in the Top 10 and lost to an unranked team, then it is not quality. For example: Oklahoma lost 2 games. They are not in the top 10. One of those was to UNRANKED Texas Tech so that is not a quality win because the bias toward the Big 12 is the only reason that Oklahoma is ranked so high. A loss to a current Top 20 team is considered a quality loss. A loss to a Top 10 ranked team currently is a double quality loss. A summary of the results is at the bottom.

 LSU

KEY WINS

BEAT #5 Oregon who only lost to ranked teams (counting USC’s ranking in AP Poll) QUALITY

BEAT #23 West Virginia who lost to UNRANKED Louisville NOT QUALITY

BEAT #25 Auburn who had more than 3 losses NOT QUALITY

BEAT #2 Alabama in OT who only lost to #1 QUALITY

BEAT #6 Arkansas who only lost to #1 and #2 QUALITY

BEAT #16 Georgia who only lost to ranked teams QUALITY

 KEY LOSSES

No losses QUALITY (3 points because they get an extra 2 for no losses to make even with a team with one quality loss)

 MARGIN OF VICTORY (Higher the better) – 27.9

POINTS FOR RANK + POINTS AGAINST RANK (Lower the better) – 12+ 2 = 14

 ALABAMA

KEY WINS

Beat #22 Penn State who only lost to ranked teams QUALITY

Beat #6 Arkansas who only lost to #1 and #2 by 24 points. The same Arkansas that beat Texas A&M by 4. The same Texas A&M that OSU only beat by 1. (That is why OSU- LSU would look like Arkansas – LSU) QUALITY

BEAT #25 Auburn who had more than 3 losses NOT QUALITY

 KEY LOSSES

Lost to #1 LSU in OT and never let them in the end zone. Out played them statistically. Had 3 more scoring opportunities in regulation than did LSU. The only 1 loss team that lost to a team ranked above them. QUALITY x 2

 MARGIN OF VICTORY (Higher the better) – 27.2

 POINTS FOR RANK + POINTS AGAINST RANK (Lower the better) – 16 + 1 = 17

 OKLAHOMA STATE

KEY WINS

Beat #24 Texas who is only ranked in the computers and had more than 3 losses NOT QUALITY

Beat #12 Baylor who lost to UNRANKED Texas A&M (who also lost to Arkansas) NOT QUALITY

Beat #8 Kansas State who only lost to a ranked Oklahoma QUALITY

Beat #14 Oklahoma who lost to UNRANKED Texas Tech and is highly overrated. NOT QUALITY

 KEY LOSSES

Lost to Iowa State who is the 8<sup>th</sup> best team in a conference with a feaux conference championship game that kind of just happened because of the 2 teams in it. ONCE AGAIN, OSU LOST TO AN UNRANKED TEAM. Comparable to Vanderbilt in the SEC by record who Alabama beat 34-0. NOT QUALITY (should count as Double Not Quality since they are the only one loss team that lost to an unranked team but I am being nice)

MARGIN OF VICTORY (Higher the better) – 23.5

 POINTS FOR RANK + POINTS AGAINST RANK (Lower the better) – 2 + 61 = 63

 STANFORD

KEY WINS

Beat #5 USC (AP Poll) Top 10 team QUALITY

 KEY LOSSES

Lost to #5 Oregon who only lost to ranked teams QUALITY x 2

 MARGIN OF VICTORY (Higher the better) – 23.3

 POINTS FOR RANK + POINTS AGAINST RANK (Lower the better) – 5 + 23 = 28

 BOISE STATE

KEY WINS

BEAT #16 Georgia who only lost to ranked teams QUALITY

 KEY LOSSES

Lost to #18  TCU QUALITY

 MARGIN OF VICTORY (Higher the better) – 25.8

 POINTS FOR RANK + POINTS AGAINST RANK (Lower the better) – 7 + 10 = 17

 SUMMARY

 LSU  –  7 Quality points  (1) , #1 in Margin of victory, #1 in Points for and against ranking Average = 1+1+1 = 1.0

Alabama     -  4 Quality points (2), #2 in Margin of victory, #2 in Points for and against ranking Average = 2+2+2 = 2.0

Oklahoma St – 1 Quality point (5), #4 in Margin of victory, #5 in Points for and against ranking Average = 5+4+5 = 4.7

Stanford – 3 Quality points (3), #5 in Margin of Victory, #4 in Points for and against ranking Average = 3+5+4 = 4.0

Boise State –  2 Quality Points (4), #3 in Margin of Victory, #2 in Points for an against ranking Average = 4+3+2 = 3.0

 

Based on Quality Points Only

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    LSU
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    Alabama
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OVERALL RANKINGS BASED ON REAL NUMBERS and not taking the computer’s word for it who is a quality opponent.

 

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    LSU
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    Oklahoma State

 

I believe this clearly shows without using bias and only using current rankings where the real quality wins and losses are that the Big 12 is very overrated and that the BCS did it’s job. This is not to say a plus 1 would not work too, but the problem lies there in the fact that based on real numbers and real quality wins and losses, OSU would get left out of that too.




Since: Nov 29, 2007
Posted on: December 5, 2011 5:53 pm
 

Week 14 Power Poll: Oklahoma State over Bama

Bama played a crappy schedule and doesn't belong . LSU will beat them up in a boring game. ZZZZZzzzzzzzz



Since: Dec 4, 2011
Posted on: December 5, 2011 2:31 pm
 

Week 14 Power Poll: Oklahoma State over Bama

Oh yeah, and cut off your nose to spite your face. You can boycott the game if you want to, The rest of us will be glued to the set!
Oklahoma State will lose to Stanford, big time, anyway!
Then what will be said about their chance to play LSU? Not much, I'll bet! 
A better game would have been Oklahoma State vs Arkansas in the Cotton Bowl !
It would have proved Olahoma State would have come in 4th in the SEC west! 
 



Since: Dec 4, 2011
Posted on: December 5, 2011 9:01 am
 

Week 14 Power Poll: Oklahoma State over Bama

This is the game ESPN and CBS begged for. If you want this crap to end cancel your Allstate policy. Boycott watching the game! Don't put up with this anymore. Verne Lundquist and Kirk Herbstreit are out trying to sell it for their corporate handlers, Don't buy it! It's the only way your gonna change the system. Let the advertisers know they are going to suffer if they support this crap!



Since: Dec 2, 2006
Posted on: December 5, 2011 3:19 am
 

Week 14 Power Poll: Oklahoma State over Bama

yes alabama should not be playing for title



Since: Dec 4, 2011
Posted on: December 4, 2011 7:42 pm
 

Week 14 Power Poll: Oklahoma State over Bama

If you have a problem with the BCS, you don't remember a time when their was no certainty about #1 and #2 EVER playing each other at all!
AND if you don't think something is fair, welcome to the world.... that was your first mistake thinking that the world is fair!
As far as a plaoff system, teams in every sport that have them sometimes lose in the end even if they had a superior excellent regular season.
Take March madness for example, .... it renders the regular season pointless.
Just like basketball in March, you will get regular arguments of just WHO gets in on these playoffs that are SUPPOSED to be fair!
Face it , the BCS is just about as fair as it gets!

Oklahoma State had their chance... all they had to do was beat Iowa State... they didn't!
I would have a problem with a National Champion who LOST to a bad team more than I would a team that lost to a #1 once!      
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Since: Dec 6, 2009
Posted on: December 4, 2011 3:20 pm
 

Week 14 Power Poll: Oklahoma State over Bama

I have a problem with somebody who did not win their conference playing for the national title without a proper playoff system.  High school and pro levels let multiple teams from same divisions/conf/region into and that is acceptable to have two rivals play for the title again.  This is a prime reason why I have stopped watching college football, when I used to like it more than pro, but look at the so called student athletes and graduates of said powerhouse programs at the pro level, they can't speak english or act like men and had taxpayers pay for their schooling and living expense.  I will not watch a LSU/Alabama game, but I will watch LSU/OSU.



Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: December 4, 2011 2:17 pm
 

Week 14 Power Poll: Oklahoma State over Bama

well BAMA - we do know that you couldn't win at home and that's makes you #2 in your division much less your conference.  We don't know if Oklahoma State can beat LSU, but we know they did win their conference.   We know LSU beat Alabama when Alabama had the advantages, doubtful Bama can win in New Orleans if can't win in Tuscaloosa and their lack of SOS hasn't provided them help in facing LSU again.   I think people are more interested in what they DON'T know as opposed to what they do know.



Since: Oct 29, 2009
Posted on: December 4, 2011 12:38 pm
 

Week 14 Power Poll: Oklahoma State over Bama

Seems like very slanted comments. You could have easily put by OK State - "Lost to 27 point underdog and unranked Iowa State. Threw three interceptions, lost two fumbles, 90 yards in penalties, gave up 570 yards of offense, and missed FG to win in regulations"


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