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National notes: What now Missouri?

Posted on: September 27, 2011 5:33 pm
Edited on: September 27, 2011 6:31 pm
 
What now Missouri?

While the school remains conflicted about its place in the Big 12, SEC commissioner Mike Slive pretty much decided Missouri's short-term ambitions when he announced that his league likely will play with 13 teams until at least 2013.

"There are not any other institutions currently under consideration by SEC presidents and chancellors except Texas A&M," Slive repeated again on Tuesday.

As for "informal offers" to Missouri reported by two outlets, it probably comes down to semantics. Define informal. Were these bids made by SEC fans wearing jorts or the commissioner himself? Probably somewhere in between, but certainly not to the level of official consideration by the SEC.

Have there been back-channel communications between the SEC and Missouri? Almost certainly. But legally the SEC can't even hint at an interest in a 14th team. Look what happened to Texas A&M on Sept. 6. It wasn't until the Pac-12 turned down Oklahoma and Texas last week that A&M president R. Bowen Loftin felt comfortable enough to move to the SEC. In other words, when Baylor knew the Big 12 was going to survive there was no need to threaten legal action.

"[At that point], there's really no basis for litigation," Loftin said.

The Show-Me State is in a state of limbo. For the second consecutive year, it has hiked its skirt and flirted a new conference. For the second consecutive year, it could be embarrassed. While that situation could change in 15 minutes, Missouri is in much the same situation it was in June 2010 -- hoping for, but conflicted about taking a lifeline out of the Big 12.

Read between the lines. What's the rush for the SEC? It can play with 13 teams for a couple of years. Who knows if some better school shakes loose? The Big 12 is a daily soap opera. Who knows who is going to be upset tomorrow?



Slive did admit that he has spoken to Loftin about making A&M's first SEC game possibly a stand-alone affair on a special day or at a special time. Think of perhaps Labor Day night Texas A&M vs, maybe, Alabama in a celebration of Bear Bryant? Just speculating.

 


It's been discussed before
but Slive also said there would be discussions about rescinding the two-team limit per conference for BCS bowls. Now that the SEC is the first major conference to grow to 13, it may think it deserves more BCS access.

"There are several issues important enough to have serious discussion," Slive of the BCS going forward. "That would be one of them."




Will Lyles could be the most significant figure of the 2011 season.

The notorious mentor/talent scout/rat now holds the fate of several teams. Lyles told Yahoo! Sports that former Tennessee assistant Willie Mack Garza sent paid for the airfare of Lache Seastrunk for unofficial visit

Several things wrong with that: A school can't pay for unofficial visits. That's why they're unofficial. Garza resigned at USC within a couple of days of Lyles speaking to the NCAA on Aug. 30 in Los Angeles. Oh, and Tennessee just got hit with NCAA penalties, among them "failure to monitor."

The football program got off relatively unharmed when the NCAA penalized Tennessee in August. The NCAA might not be so forgiving if major infractions are found so close together.

The question is, who's next? There's been a buzz since that NCAA sit-down that Lyles has dropped a dime on several schools. In the short term, LSU and Oregon should be concerned. Perhaps Cal as well.

The foundation of this story is an NCAA determined to stamp out third-party influence in college football. Lyles, it seems, has turned state's evidence. All Ohio State did was get to a BCS bowl while its coach intentionally allowed ineligible players to participate. Oregon reportedly asked Lyles to assemble a national recruiting package on fly.

What's worse? I'd be way more worried at Tennessee, LSU, Cal and Oregon.



There has been this rumbling that Texas A&M is making a horrible mistake going to the SEC.

That it is going to be overwhelmed by ES-EE-SEE footbawl. That is has no idea what it is getting into.

Rubbish.

A&M is as committed a football school as there is. I toured the A&M facilities Saturday before the Oklahoma State game and came away impressed. The school's total athletic infrastructure may be better than anything in the SEC. There are fans, I'm told, who park their RVs near the football stadium before the season and don't leave until the last pitch is made in baseball in the spring. That's loyalty.

A&M's one football conference title since the beginnng of 1998, is exactly two less than Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Tennessee and Georgia combined in that same time span.

There is no question the Aggies can compete in, and win, the SEC. Here is how I would rate a 13-team SEC in current strength of football program. I'm talking everything, on the field, facilities, recruiting, fans, fund-raising.

Alabama
LSU
Florida
Arkansas
Texas A&M
Auburn
South Carolina
Georgia
Tennessee
Mississippi State
Ole Miss
Kentucky
Vanderbilt



The threat of lightning can postpone a game but when lightning actually strikes, the score stands.

Lightning struck Saturday when Big East officials totally botched that extra point in the Toledo-Syracuse game. The clearly errant Syracuse extra point was ruled good, probably costing Toledo a victory.

Toledo and MAC officials protested but NCAA rules are clear: Once a game is over, it's over. That didn't come into effect a couple of weeks ago in that Utah-USC game.

Here's a solution in such games when officials clearly cost a deserving team a chance at victory (Also see The Fifth Down Game): 

Declare the result vacated. In other words, the stats count by Syracuse and Toledo don't get credit for a win or a loss. Just vacations, same as at Florida State, Alabama and USC for NCAA transgressions, the games simply don't count.

If one or both teams finish 5-6, they would both automatically be bowl eligible (at 6-6). It seems to be the fair thing to do. The screwed team doesn't get a loss and the team that benefits doesn't get a win. Just a thought.



Extending my screed against boards of regents/curators, we give you these brief bios of the Missouri board of curators. These may be the seven people who will decide whether Missouri goes to the SEC.

Warren Erdman -- appointed in 2007 by then governor Matt Blunt. Erdman is executive vice president of administration and corporate affairs for Kansas City Southern. The transportation holding company has investments in the United States, Mexico and Panama.

David Bradley -- was appointed in 2009 by current governor Jay Nixon. Bradley is president of the News-Press & Gazette in St. Joseph.

Don Downing -- appointed in 2009 by Nixon. Attorney who is a former managing general partner of Stinson, Morrison, Hecker in St. Louis and is Missouri's former chief deputy attorney general.

Wayne Goode -- appointed in 2009 by Nixon. A retired former Missouri senator and state representative.

Donald Cupps -- appointed this year by Nixon. Senior partner at Ellis, Cupps and Cole.

Judith Haggard -- appointed in 2007 by Blunt. A family nurse practitioner and drug abuse counselor.

David Steward -- appointed this year by Nixon. Deep breath here, kids. Steward is chairman and founder of World Wide Technology of St. Louis, a leading systems integrator that provides technology products, services and supply chain solutions to customers around the globe.
Comments

Since: Apr 29, 2009
Posted on: September 29, 2011 12:30 am
 

National notes: What now Missouri?

If you'd read my entire post - Missouri started this mess.  All Nebraska did is say yes when the Big Ten came to them.  They weren't seeking to jump, they were going to stick with the Big XII.  When Texas started to demand more and more - why wouldn't you bail?  Texas A&M finally saw the writing on the wall and left as well. 

What's Colorado's excuse?  They've always been a little flaky - this just proves it.  East of the Rockies and they join the Pac-10?  What the heck?  Granted, you can drive to the ocean in 10 hours - but that does not make them a "Pacific" state.



Since: Oct 29, 2006
Posted on: September 28, 2011 9:09 pm
 

National notes: What now Missouri?

HuskerCubFan  wrote:   "...Sad how the Big 8 has fallen - because of Missouri and Texas and their Longhorn Network..."



I see you have the same affliction most other Nebraska fans have been suffering,  DENIAL!   Nebraska abandoning the conference is the #1 reason for the Big-12 (and thereby the other 7 former Big-8 teams) being so unstable.   You can claim any reason you want for Nebraska's leaving for greener pastures,  but the bottom line is the Huskers are guilty of dis-loyalty to their longtime fellow conference-mates.   Nebraska should also be ashamed for abadoning the Big-12 instead of remaining and trying to bring improvement and change in the areas with which they were dis-satisfied.    More and more it appears that Osborne gave up hope of Nebraska ever being again able to consistantly compete with most of the B-12 South Division's teams, Texas especially.  

Even if membership in the Big-10 means greater financial rewards to the Huskers in the immediate future, I still believe it was a mistake to join a conference that has been going downhill for several years.     
;  The Big-10 itself felt it needed to get some new members to help halt the downhill slide the conference was experiencing, and that is why they started wooing Nebraska in the first place.    That same situation has not changed.... If recent un-employment trends continue,    in a few years the entire B-10 area will be severely economically despressed.   The state of Michigan will eventually lose half of its population.    
     All the hyperbole about how joining the Big-10 Conference meant everlasting security does not alter the fact that it is a good possibility Nebraska bought a ticket on a could-be sinking ship.     Even the limited success of the B-10's  strongest football program, (Ohio State),  has now been brought into question regarding the probability that the Buckeyes success was obtained by illegal and immoral means.        
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Since: Mar 10, 2009
Posted on: September 28, 2011 7:02 pm
 

National notes: What now Missouri?

I believe that according to your divisions. Maryland would be in the Coastal division and Fl State in the Atlantic..



Since: Jun 5, 2009
Posted on: September 28, 2011 6:17 pm
 

National notes: What now Missouri?

Whether the SEC is the best conference or not isn't what I'm here to debate.  What is hilarious to me though is "SEC fans".  Seriously?  I'm a Michigan fan, and every time bowl season comes around, I hope the Big 10 goes 1-X (assuming Michigan makes a bowl game...if they don't 0-X).  These teams are conference rivals...who the heck are these "SEC fans" that cheer on everyone in the conference?  You're tellin me that a real Alabama fan is happy that Auburn won the National Championship last year?  Get real.  I bet almost every player on that 'bama team along fans of teams tend to say they do and then cheer them on..

If you're a baseball fan and your team is the Red Sox, do you cheer for the Yankees if they make the WS because you're an "AL East fan"?  It's just asinine to me..



Since: Mar 17, 2009
Posted on: September 28, 2011 3:49 pm
 

National notes: What now Missouri?

Well if you will read the bottom of my response i said only 4 wins in the last 25 years or so,so you just come back and said the same thing i did,so not sure why you said nice try.Thats funny you saying the overhyped SEC,There is no such thing as hype when you can back it up with 5 let me say it again 5 National Championships in a roll.Please tell me what other conference can say that.Its not like it has been the same team either it has been 4 different teams.



Since: Nov 29, 2006
Posted on: September 28, 2011 3:26 pm
 

National notes: What now Missouri?

Nice try, VolsRback....but even in the BCS era the overhyped SEC is 1-3 vs Missouri for an even lower 25% success rate. No matter how you look at it...all time or contemporary, SEC teams rarely beat Missouri. BTW, Mo is not my team.



Since: Mar 17, 2009
Posted on: September 28, 2011 3:03 pm
 

National notes: What now Missouri?

Ok Hokiehen lets look at when Missouri beat these SEC teams.

Arkansas you beat them in 1906,1968,and 2008
Alabama you beat them in 1968,1975
Auburn 1973
Georgia 1960
Kentucky 1904
LSU 1978
Ole Miss 1973,1978,1979,2006,2007
Mississippi St. 1981,1984
South Carolina 1979,2005
Vanderbilt 1895,1896,1958

Only 4 of those wins have been in the last 25 years or so.Dont make it sound like you have done something.Let them join the SEC and have to play these teams week in and week out and see if the SEC only wins 30.7%.



Since: Apr 29, 2009
Posted on: September 28, 2011 2:59 pm
 

National notes: What now Missouri?

So now you're concerned about Missouri?  Boo-hoo!  They started this chaos - now they have to sit on the sideline and watch as their conference falls apart around them.

If you take football out of the equation - what about Kansas?  Here's a school that has a phenominal basketball program, and they aren't even mentioned - anywhere!  All the talk is about aTm, Texas, Oklahoma, Okie State.  No one is talking about what Kansas, K-State, and Iowa State are going to do.

Sad how the Big 8 has fallen - because of Missouri and Texas and their Longhorn Network.



Since: Mar 17, 2009
Posted on: September 28, 2011 2:38 pm
 

National notes: What now Missouri?

Dodd do you really have Texas A&M 5th in the SEC.I would probably have them about 7 or 8 just behind either south carolina or georgia.If you were ranking them in the Big 12 where would they be? I would have them 4th or 5th behind Texas,Oklahoma,Oklahoma St. and then either them or Missouri next so how can you have them 5th in the toughest conference?
Lets talk a little about A&M for a minute.They are 58-79 all time vs the SEC that is 42.66%.
They have lost 12 of there last 15 bowl games
4 of there last 6 bowl losses are to SEC teams.
They are 4-11 vs SECs in bowl games.
They have only won 1 national title(1939)
So my question why does everybody act like they are such a power house?Why does Dodd think they are the 5th best team in the SEC?
Ahead of Auburn who won the national championship last year and ahead of south carolina who won the SEC east last year.




Since: Nov 29, 2006
Posted on: September 28, 2011 2:27 pm
 

National notes: What now Missouri?

 SEC teams vs Missouri :

Arkansas, 2-2
Florida, 0-1
Ole Miss, 1-4
Georgia , 1-0
S.Carolina 0-2
LSU ,0-1
Alabama 1-2
Vanderbilt 1-2-1
Miss State 0-2
Kentucky 2-0
Tennessee 0-0
Auburn 0-1

  Mighty SEC has won 8 out of 26 games vs Missouri.....a 30.7% success rate.

 The hype and perception driven fans surely won't believe these facts.


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