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SEC wants Missouri, the logical No. 14 choice

Posted on: September 20, 2011 4:12 pm
Edited on: September 21, 2011 12:13 am
 
All you had to do was put together the puzzle pieces on Missouri.

Earlier Tuesday, we reported that West Virginia was out as far as joining the SEC or ACC. Logically, that held that Missouri was likely to be the SEC's 14th school. That looked to be the case after the Kansas City Star reported that Missouri had "an offer on the table" to join the nation's strongest conference.

Except that the SEC immediately shot down the report: "The SEC has not extended an invitation to any school beyond Texas A&M since it extended invitations to Arkansas and South Carolina."

That would be two decades ago.

All this develops while the Big East and Big 12 attempt to reconstitute themselves into a combined league going forward. A source said Tuesday representatives from both leagues would like to meet in a central location but that there was nothing imminent through Wednesday. There's a long way to go -- the SEC likely wouldn't entertain an application until the Big 12 collapse. However, such a move by Missouri's would clear up conference realignment just a bit.

"I think there's something to that," said an administrator not from the Big 12 but whose school would benefit if Missouri left for the SEC.

Because the SEC is so sensitive to the landscape right now, don't be surprised either that the report could actually wreck a Missouri move to the SEC. It is known that SEC commissioner Mike Slive doesn't want to move on an existing conference member -- especially from the Big 12 -- until things are resolved legally.

Don't forget that Baylor could threaten legal action against Missouri if the school was accepted to the SEC. A Big 12 source said that for legal purposes, the Big 12 is still considered a conference as long as it has five members. The NCAA requires minimum membership of six for a conference to exist.

For those of you just jumping into the subject matter, think of Missouri as the best player left on the draft board. With Nebraska, Oklahoma, Syracuse and Pittsburgh spoken for in the past two years, Missouri suddenly looks very attractive. It has two top 30 markets in Kansas City and St. Louis and is contiguous to three SEC states (Arkansas, Kentucky and Tennessee). It touches two Big Ten states (Iowa, Illinois).

Missouri's fans and some of its administrators were a bit too convinced last year that Missouri was going to the Big Ten. It turns out the school wasn't near the top of the list when Nebraska was invited.

Tuesday's developments obviously don't necessarily place Missouri in the SEC. The Big 12 could survive. The SEC may be looking elsewhere. With Oklahoma and Oklahoma State seemingly out the door to the Pac-12, we won't know for sure on the national landscape until Texas declares its intentions.



For a few minutes there on Tuesday afternoon, Dan Beebe was trending on Twitter over Two and a Half Men. Or that's what I was told. 

I'm not really sure. The social Twitterverse exploded Tuesday with the news that Pac-12 bound Oklahoma was demanding that Beebe, the Big 12's embattled commissioner, be replaced. OU wanted that as a condition of staying in the Big 12. Interesting that on Monday, OU president David Boren was basically tap-dancing on the Big 12's grave after getting permission from regents to head to the Pac-12.

What changed and why did Beebe become a pawn in this discussion? Most likely because OU doesn't have the votes from Pac-12 presidents to actually join the league. There was a report Tuesday that Pac-12 presidents are prepared to vote by the end of the week but there is no consensus. In other words, exactly what we've been hearing for weeks.

Oklahoma and Texas may want to go to the Pac-12, but the Pac-12 has been more than hesitating. Cal and Stanford don't want to include the academically unwashed Oklahoma State and Texas Tech. The Pac-12 is going to make a killing with a dozen teams, why invite the OU/UT drama into the mix? Big, happy families are hard to find these days in college athletics.

In essence, two iconic college sports names -- Oklahoma and Texas -- may have just quibbled and bitched their way out of an invite to what promises to be the richest conference in the country. Can you imagine, then, the Big 12 staying together? It may be forced to kiss and make up. The infighting, jealousies and bickering is going to make the Great Plains version of Jersey Shore. 

It's not the man (Beebe), it's the culture. Texas and Oklahoma were among those who voted Beebe a raise and extension in June. What's changed? Certainly not Longhorn and Sooner egos.

Let's sum up Tuesday: An ultimatum to Dan Beebe by a school headed for the Pac-12 trumps an offer to Missouri that the SEC says didn't happen. 

Everybody caught up?



Officials had every right and duty to delay Saturday’s Oklahoma State-Tulsa start. There were concerns about lightning and, no doubt, liability. But did Oklahoma State and Tulsa take it too far in forcing the players to perform in a game that ended at 3:35 Sunday morning?

Tulsa has game-cancellation insurance for such occurrences so the school would have been reimbursed had the game been cancelled. There is no corresponding open date for the schools when the game could have been made up. But would it have been possible to play the game on Sunday?

Tulsa AD Bubba Cunningham told CBSSports.com that the decision to play the game so late was made jointly by himself and Oklahoma State AD Mike Holder after consulting with game officials and both coaches.

"We were about seven minutes away from cancelling the game," said Cunningham of the contest that kicked off at 12:15 am CT. "We talked about student-athlete welfare as we made the decision. That’s why we had midnight as the tipping point."

The game was allowed to start after midnight because both coaches needed time for their teams to warm up after weather conditions improved. Cunningham said he would think twice about agreeing to start a game that late again. The original starting time was 9 pm CT at the request of Fox regional.

The game started so late that it came close to apparently violating NCAA rules

Cowboys coach Mike Gundy added that had the game started at 7 pm CT, the rain and weather delays would have likely hit in the third quarter of the game instead of before it.

"I just don't think it's best for the student-athlete," said Gundy whose team plays a top-10 matchup this week at Texas A&M. "I wasn’t excited about our players being out there at 2 and 3 in the morning for a football game. I was concerned about their health. I don’t know how players compete at 2 or 3 in the morning. You don’t want a young man to get an injury and not be able to play the rest of the year."

There was, in fact, a significant injury. Tulsa's G.J. Kinne suffered a reported tear of the MCL in his left knee. The Tulsa World stated that the typical recovery time is two to four weeks.

Cunningham said game cancellation insurance had been purchased by Conference USA after Hurricane Katrina had impacted members Southern Miss and Tulane. Weather delays have become one of the overriding topics of the early season. Baylor and Texas Tech had games delayed last week. The Western Michigan-Michigan game was postponed to the game that the statistics didn't count in the NCAA rankings because the game didn't go the minimum three quarters.

The Cowboys-Golden Hurricane game started so late that Oklahoma State assistant Glenn Spencer had to leave during it. His wife Angela died during the first quarter of game won by Oklahoma State 59-33. She had been dealing with the effects of a heart transplant.

"It affected me. I have a lot of respect for their family and what they’ve gone through," Gundy said. "I wasn’t in the best of moods or as focused as I should have been.

Gundy added: "I don’t think it’s anybody’s fault. But at some point do we really want to start a game at 9 o'clock? ... Our APRs are going up, our required numbers of hours to be passed by semester is going up, everything is moving toward education, then we’re going to start our game at 9 o'clock? Whoever is making those decisions needs to think things through before we’re put in those situations."

Tulsa goes to Boise State for a game that starts at a more reasonable time, 7 pm CT.




Wyoming's War Memorial Stadium (capacity: 29,181) is the smallest Nebraska has played in since 1971 ... Vanderbilt's James Franklin became the first Commodore coach to win his first three games at the school since World War II ... It's been three years since the Big 12 has seen a conference game between two top 10 teams aside from the Red River Shootout (Oklahoma-Texas). No. 7 Oklahoma State travels to No. 8 Texas A&M on Saturday ... Boise State has had only three drives (out of 27) that ended in negative yards this season. Two of those came in victory formation while taking a knee ... Two of the top three rushers meet this week at Michigan Stadium. San Diego State tailback Ronnie Hillman is No. 2. Michigan's celebrated quarterback Denard Robinson is No. 3 ... South Carolina's Marcus Lattimore is on pace to rush for 2,492 yards. That would put him 136 yards short Barry Sanders' single-season record ... Florida Atlantic leads all non-BCS schools with only one turnover this season. That ties the Owls with eight other BCS schools. FAU is also the only team not to score a touchdown yet in FBS ... Since the beginning of the 2006 season Vanderbilt has intercepted 81 passes, 10 in three games this season ... USC's Robert Woods has caught more passes (33) this season than seven teams have completed.


Before posting this week's Heisman top five let me explain that I love Andrew Luck. I adore Andrew Luck. I would want Andrew Luck to marry my daughter. But I cannot in good faith put him in my top five. Tell me which one of these you would remove -- based on the season to date -- in place of Luck. Did I mention I love Andrew Luck?

1. Marcus Lattimore, South Carolina; 2. Kellen Moore, Boise State; 3. Robert Griffin III, Baylor; 4. Russell Wilson, Wisconsin; 5. Denard Robinson, Michigan.
Comments

Since: Oct 7, 2011
Posted on: October 14, 2011 2:29 am
 

SEC wants Missouri, the logical No. 14 choice

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Since: Mar 27, 2007
Posted on: September 22, 2011 11:02 am
 

SEC wants Missouri, the logical No. 14 choice

"It has two top 30 markets in Kansas City and St. Louis and is contiguous to three SEC states (Arkansas, Kentucky and Tennessee). It touches two Big Ten states (Iowa, Illinois)."

I'm not sure if you don't know geography or forgot Nebraska is in the Big Ten now, but Missouri touches three Big Ten states (Iowa, Illinois, Nebraska).



Since: Mar 27, 2007
Posted on: September 22, 2011 11:00 am
 

SEC wants Missouri, the logical No. 14 choice

"It has two top 30 markets in Kansas City and St. Louis and is contiguous to three SEC states (Arkansas, Kentucky and Tennessee). It touches two Big Ten states (Iowa, Illinois)."

I'm not sure if you don't know geography or forgot Nebraska is in the Big Ten now, but Missouri touches three Big Ten states (Iowa, Illinois, Nebraska).



Since: Aug 26, 2011
Posted on: September 21, 2011 7:42 pm
 

SEC wants Missouri, the logical No. 14 choice

@ J.B.

Thanks for catching my typo but more importantly understanding the message I am trying to convey.  Never the less, you made reference to a true championship and tournament format.  I neglected to add the link to just what you're seeking....



I developed this system back in 1998 and had been enhancing it ever since.  I have not updated my site in approximately 2 years because the BCS (and others in positions within the media) have been infringing upon certain aspects and trying to implement them as their own idea.  Please take a few minutes to visit the site as the information is still available to get the "gist" of the proposal. 




Since: Mar 7, 2008
Posted on: September 21, 2011 6:28 pm
 

SEC wants Missouri, the logical No. 14 choice

Missouri football record against SEC schools: 20-8-1 Winning record against all schools except Kentucky (1-2) and Georgia (0-1).



Since: Jul 22, 2007
Posted on: September 21, 2011 1:17 pm
 

SEC wants Missouri, the logical No. 14 choice

I think more than anything Larry Scott wants to give the Pac 12 a few years to get settled as a 12 team league.
I will also point to the fan interest aspect, sure Oklahoma & Oklahoma State are big names but there is no history with the Pac 12 teams not even in bowl games so why bring them in?
Let's also look at Geographically those 2 schools are midwest schools, not Pacific coast schools, you've got extra travel expenses and from a fan travelling standpoint it's not as if you could jump into the RV and drive to one of those games without taking a whole week off from work.
I think it's the best move, I never buy into the academic BS people throw out there, they say the same thing for why Boise won't get invited to the Pac 12 (Which I think within 3 years Boise WILL get an invite to join), it's a weak argument and at the end of the day it comes down to 2 things football & money, true the Pac 12 is also a strong hoops conference but their bread & butter is football.
I still stick by my prediction (which you can read about in my blog entries on my profile) that Oklahoma & Oklahoma State wwill end up in the SEC and make up a new, stronger SEC west division.
You can say it's about fear all you like but really Larry Scott has the final word on who gets in and who doesn't and he has no allegiances to any one school and if he felt this would make the conference more money ergo making him more money than he would have done it!



Since: Jun 10, 2010
Posted on: September 21, 2011 1:16 pm
 

SEC wants Missouri, the logical No. 14 choice

@ GEECHYDAN

I believe you meant to use the word "secede", but I like the gist of your post.  The BcS is a monopoly in the way it's currently aligned with only five AQ conferences.  I dislike the way it has excluded "non-BcS" Boise State, Utah, etc. over the years.  Traditional rivalries and ultimately the fans have paid for this corrupt arrangement while everyone's scrambling for a seat in the AQ conferences.  It's pathetic.

We'll never have a true NCAA Champion in football until some type of playoff system is implemented.  I don't know how a tournamenet format would look, but it should include the Top 16 teams minimum. 

So, when the PAC-12 ultimately expands to 16 teams, it won't be an initiative of Larry Scott, but rather a response to the directives to create "Super Conferences." Once all the shuffling is done with the ACC, SEC and BIG TEN, the PAC will acquire the Oklahoma schools, Texas Tech and BOISE ST. because TEXAS is going to succeed from the UNION (NCAA) and go INDEPENDENT. A new Civil War is eminent when the lesser and excluded teams battle the BCS (Confederacy) in the courts over revenue streams generated by the indentured servants that are the student athletes.

What is being overlooked in all this is the fact that the "students" have the power to overthrow the entire BCS process since they pay the tuition and athletic fees to utilize and access all sporting events. Furthermore, if the schools in question are state-funded universities, the "People" of said state have the right to deny conference swapping and the legality of the BCS and NCAA to do so without the permission of a voting body.

We are witnessing authoritarian governments and dictators being overthrown around the world right now. Who's to say the same won't happen to the BCS? Anarchy will always result in a coup d'état and I hope to be at the head of that charge.




Since: Aug 26, 2011
Posted on: September 21, 2011 1:01 pm
 

PAC 12 Stance on Expansion

Larry Scott decided not to expand from 12 to 16....right now. This is just a precautionary PR move. Although Mr. Scott is being marveled as a pioneer for progressively transforming the PAC 10 overnight, I don’t think he wants to be viewed as the instigator of all this conference jumping.

(IMO) the recent rash of schools announcing their interest in joining different conferences is merely an impulsive response to the pro-activeness of the PAC's expansion to 12 schools and Texas' television deal.

The majority of the schools trying to jump ship are basically "leaches" benefiting from the more prominent teams anyway. Most of these schools will NEVER sniff a chance at the Exhibition Title, but as long as they receive their "conference share" of that Exhibition money, they will go where ever and do whatever they are told to do by the "Corrupt Commission" that is the BCS.

The BCS is like the former Soviet Union and Larry Scott would be equivalent to Nikita Khrushchev gobbling up Eastern Block satellite nations to expand the USSR into a "superpower."  Larry Scott does not want to be the guy that is hung out to dry when the BCS crumbles like the Berlin Wall.

None the less, I agree with his decision to remain at 12 teams because if we all remember, the whole idea of expanding to 12 teams was to have a conference championship game like the other BCS conferences.  The focus should not be directed at Larry Scott, but to the elusive and exclusive group of individual(s) that are really pushing the conference jumping. Where is Bill Hancock and why do the Board of Regents always hold secret meetings in the middle of the night?

So, when the PAC-12 ultimately expands to 16 teams, it won't be an initiative of Larry Scott, but rather a response to the directives to create "Super Conferences." Once all the shuffling is done with the ACC, SEC and BIG TEN, the PAC will acquire the Oklahoma schools, Texas Tech and BOISE ST. because TEXAS is going to succeed from the UNION (NCAA) and go INDEPENDENT. A new Civil War is eminent when the lesser and excluded teams battle the BCS (Confederacy) in the courts over revenue streams generated by the indentured servants that are the student athletes.

What is being overlooked in all this is the fact that the "students" have the power to overthrow the entire BCS process since they pay the tuition and athletic fees to utilize and access all sporting events. Furthermore, if the schools in question are state-funded universities, the "People" of said state have the right to deny conference swapping and the legality of the BCS and NCAA to do so without the permission of a voting body.

We are witnessing authoritarian governments and dictators being overthrown around the world right now. Who's to say the same won't happen to the BCS? Anarchy will always result in a coup d'état and I hope to be at the head of that charge.

GEECHYDAN




Since: Mar 20, 2007
Posted on: September 21, 2011 11:54 am
 

SEC wants Missouri, the logical No. 14 choice

I don't understand the "academic high road" crap the PAC-12 is throwing around about not wanting to take Oklahoma and Oklahoma State.  That didn't matter when they took Utah or Colorado, and many of the other schools are overrated as well.  We all know this about fearing allowing much better football teams into the conference.  Period.  It isn;t integrity, it is cowardice, and I don't even have a dog in this hunt.  I know fear when I smell it, and after what just happened to Oregon at the hands of LSU, the last thing the league wants is near-SEC caliber teams joining up.



Since: May 26, 2011
Posted on: September 21, 2011 11:27 am
 

SEC wants Missouri, the logical No. 14 choice

gobucks1967.... are you serious?  You think that the Big10 is a more rounded conference from an athletic standpoint?

SEC won the Football, Baseball, and Women's Gymnastics NCAA National Championships last year...

Big 10 won the Men's and Women's Volleyball championships.

On top of winning three, they were present in the final four for basketball, has both teams in the national championship of baseball, 3rd and 4th in men's track and field (compared to a best finish of 12 for the big 10), 3rd in women's track and field (compared to 23rd for big 10).

Not to mention... if you include A&M in the SEC, then you also gain Men's Track and Field, Women's Track and Field, and Women's Basketball National Championships.

There is no question that the SEC is a better rounded conference in terms of athletics.


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