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Schools have called Pac-12; Big 12 days numbered?

Posted on: September 3, 2011 8:16 pm
Edited on: September 3, 2011 9:57 pm
 
ARLINGTON, Texas -- Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott admitted for the first time during this latest round of conference upheaval that his league has been contacted by prospective members.

"I will say schools have reached out to us," Scott said Saturday shortly before the start of the LSU-Oregon game here. "We are not doing anything proactively."

Scott was speaking approximately 90 minutes after an Oklahoma source was quoted as saying the school's "sole focus" was moving to the Pac-12. The story broke Saturday in the The Oklahoman and stated that Texas, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State could also be part of the move to the Pac-12.

The commissioner said he was not aware of the report but reiterated that, "schools have called us. We certainly are going to listen."

Cut through the language and it seems that the Big 12's days are numbered. Texas A&M is expected to be formally invited to the SEC next week. Oklahoma has been leaning toward the Pac-12. It's doubtful that the 15-year-old league could survive with the loss Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M.

"If you can't fix Big 12, you might as well go west," Boone Pickens, Oklahoma State's billionaire benefactor, told an Oklahoma City reporter.


 Events of the last 36 hours may have put college athletics at the brink of one of the most significant points in its history. Oklahoma president David Boren said Friday his school would not be a "wallflower" as it surveys conference membership. Boren added that Oklahoma's future could be clearer by as early as Monday. At no time during those comments did he pledge loyalty to the Big 12. A Pac-12 expansion to 16 teams could usher in the era of the super conference in college athletics.

The Pac-12 locking up Texas and Oklahoma, two of the most famous brands, in college sports would almost assure it. There already has been speculation that the combination of the new Pac-12 agreement ($3 billion, 12 years with ESPN/Fox) and the new Pac-12 Network could mean an annual $30 million to each member school.

Other conferences -- notably the SEC and Big Ten -- would almost have to react to the Pac-12's move.

"I've also been clear," Scott reminded, "that there will probably be further expansion at some stage."

The Pac-12 controls the option to reopen that lucrative contract for negotiations if membership changes, Scott said. He added that he and the Pac-12 won't be the guys who alter the current college conference structure.

"If there is any suggestion whatsoever that our conference is being predatory that's just wrong," he said. "We've not had expansion as an initiative, as an agenda, for us at all. If there were any conversations going on, you can be sure there are not any we initiated."

That's likely legalese for staying with the process. Three weeks ago SEC presidents met to discuss Texas A&M's move to the conference. They were reminded by lawyers during that meeting the conference could not appear to be pursuing the Aggies at the expense of collapsing the Big 12.

The then-Pac-10 was definitely proactive last year when it pursued six Big 12 schools last year in a bold attempt to move up to 16 teams in preparations for negotiating a new TV deal. It settled on Utah and Colorado to expand to 14. That deal is now in place.

The biggest complication seems to be folding Texas and its network into the Pac-12. Texas and ESPN have an exclusive $300 million deal with the Longhorn Network. Scott said any such deal would have to be folded into the Pac-12 distribution model. The Pac-12 Network consists of six regional networks.

Texas mostly likely would have to renegotiate its deal and possibly share money with Pac-12 members were it to join the Pac-12.


Comments

Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: September 7, 2011 4:30 pm
 

Schools have called Pac-12; Big 12 days numbered?

The Big Ten will always leave the door open for Notre Dame imo and will only add a maximum of 4 more teams including Notre Dame.  Maryland, Missouri, Rutgers, Iowa St, Pitt, and Texas have all been rumored to be in the running.  Poor Missouri was left hanging when Nebraska was chosen instead but I'm guessing they'll eventually get an invite down the road.  Adding Maryland would bring in the D.C/Baltimore tv market. Missouri adds the St Louis market and part of the KC market. Pitt adds an in-state rival for Penn St, which the Big Ten says they've been trying to find since promising to do so back in 1990 when PSU was added to the conference. Those are the 3 that make the most sense.  All 3 are AAU members and help the most important revenue factor being The Big Ten Network. 

Big Ten:  Notre Dame, Missouri, Pitt, and Maryland.

Pac 12:  Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St

SEC:  A&M, Louisville, Florida St, Miami

ACC:  UConn, Syracuse, Rutgers, West Virginia, Cincy, South Florida,

Big East will be raided for it's football schools and perhaps only be a basketball conference or end completely.  Big 12, Conf USA, Mid-American, Sun Belt, WAC, MWC will all realign to makeup geographical sense.  There will end up being 4 major conferences and 4 mid-major conferences in Division 1.  Just my opinion of course :)




Since: Aug 9, 2010
Posted on: September 6, 2011 3:04 pm
 

Schools have called Pac-12; Big 12 days numbered?

The premise that the BIG East continues and the ACC folds is incorrect.  Even if the ACC loses three teams, they have a better chance of surviving than the Big East (Football).    

BIG Ten would reach out to Kansas and Missouri, then two from Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Rutgers, Maryland.  Key is that all six suggestions are AAU member schools.  NC State is not and would not be a consideration.  (Nebraska is currently suspended from AAU membership, but was a member when asked to join, and is working on reinstatement).

If ACC were to lose three schools to SEC, they would look to add; UConn, Rutgers, West Virgina, and would consider; Central Florida, South Florida, Syracuse, Pitt, and Temple or 'Nova.

The ACC is filled with AAU Schools and top leadership.  Virginia and North Carolina politics would not permit their schools joining the Big East.  They wold add schools from Conference USA adn SunBelt, before that would happen.

If all the dominoes begin to fall, the BIG East would be the big loser.

 



Since: Sep 6, 2011
Posted on: September 6, 2011 1:24 pm
 

Schools have called Pac-12; Big 12 days numbered?

BIG-12 WAS THE WEAKEST LEAGUE IN PUTTING PLAYERS INTO NFL PER CAPITA SCHOOLS. EVEN THE BIG EAST WAS ABLE TO HAVE A BETTER PER CAPITA PLAYER PER SCHOOL IN THE NFL DRAFT. GOOD TO SEE IT FALLING APART.

FOUR LEAGUES WILL REMAIN:

BIG TEN LEGENDS:
UI
UM
MSU
NU
MINNY
NW
UW
ILLINI

BIG TEN LEADERS
OSU
PSU
PURDUE
INDY
UMD
GT
NCS
UVA

BIG TEN: 12 STATES 16 SCHOOLS


SEC WEST:
BAMA 
AU
MSU
OLE MISS
LSU
ARK
A&M
UK

SEC EAST
UF 
FSU
SC
CLEMSON 
VT
UTENN
VANDY
GEORGIA

SEC: 11 STATES 16 SCHOOLS


PAC-16: WEST
CAL
STANFORD
WU
WSU
OU
OSU
USC
UCLA

PAC-16: EAST
UA
ASU
UT
TT
UTAH
CU
OU
OSU

PAC-16:M 8 STATES 16 SCHOOLS


BIG EAST-18

BIG EAST NORTH
PITT
UCONN
CUSE
WVU
UCINCY
ULOU
RUTGERS
UNC
DUKE

BIG EAST SOUTH
TCU
KU
KSU
MIZZOU
USF
MIAMI
WAKE
BAYLOR
IOWA STATE

BIG EAST: 13 STATES 18 SCHOOLS

LEFT OVERS:

BC, BYU, AND NOTRE DAME JOIN BIG EAST CATHOLIC LEAGUE EXCEPT IN FOOTBALL

BIG CATS EAST:
BC
GT
PROV
SHU
STJ
NOVA

BIG CATS WEST:
BYU
ND
MARQ
DEPAUL
XAVIER
DAYTON

I love your prediction of the Big East. Mainly because I fear that without high academic standards and a viable TV market, West Virginia could be left out in the cold.  Athletically we are fine.  I do disagree with your idea on BC.  If the Big East turns out as you think, BC will become a football member, again.  Lastly, the Big East could put up to ten teams+ in the NCAA basketball tournament, if this comes to happen.
Sorry to get off topic. 




Since: Sep 6, 2011
Posted on: September 6, 2011 11:53 am
 

Schools have called Pac-12; Big 12 days numbered?

That's exactly the kind of grandiose and inaccurate statement that shows the hand of Big Ten fans in general. You make it seem as if the midwest has a patent on integrity. Jim Delaney was the guy who started all the talk on conference expansion to begin with and he was right in doing so. Television exposure and the internet have ratcheted the speed at which the mechanics of college football operates to the point that all the major players are simply reacting to a rapidly changing world. Of course they're trying to gain a greater financial position for their respective institutions, but those footholds are extremely tenuous these days. Momentum and competitive edge is college football and make no mistake, it has always been a beast. Now, however, it seems loosed beyond the control of the agencies assigned to keep it in check - committees whose mission statements are vague and conflicted. Their loyalties have always been revealed by their decisions which, in turn, ought to lay bare for all of us the culture of deceit and corruption that has always been college football. Regionalism feeds the beast and that equates to market share so greed is good...if you're the beast.



Since: Nov 17, 2007
Posted on: September 6, 2011 11:17 am
 

Schools have called Pac-12; Big 12 days numbered?

The only people enthralled with 16-team "super conferences" are fans. 16-team conferences can not endure and we will see them split and end up with 8 team conferences again after not all that many years.

What's the point in belonging to a conference where you only get to play have the conference members in any given year? 



Since: Sep 6, 2011
Posted on: September 6, 2011 1:50 am
 

Schools have called Pac-12; Big 12 days numbered?

oklahoma moving to the Pac 12 makes no sense. There are no regional connections, they will have to play at least 5-6 games a year on the west coast and travel costs will prohibit fan attendance. further recruiting out of texas will drop drastically and will not be offset by quality players from the west coast. even UCLA cannot in an area of 20 million people cannot recruit enough quality players to compete. oklahoma should remain in the big 12 where it belongs

 



Since: Dec 20, 2006
Posted on: September 5, 2011 11:04 pm
 

Schools have called Pac-12; Big 12 days numbered?

I want to know what official from the BCS conferences has stated their intent to create 4 super-conferences?  This is media hogwash. 

The Big 10 actually IS content to sit with its pat hand.  Yes, the Big 10 actually does care about academics and culture; I truly can't believe how many people just don't get that.  The ONLY Big East team likely to be considered is Rutgers.  Why?  Because it is a state university, not a private school nor urban university.  Pitt would pair nicely with PSU, but doesn't add to the footprint.  Syracuse at least would offer New York state.  Rutgers has already said, however, that it prefers to stay in the Big East.  The Big 10 has already said no to KU and Mizzou.  Texas would meet the criteria, but the culture is wrong and the distance considerable. (And to the person who commented about Pitt and 'Cuse offering no national football presence-- it is true they have not been strong lately, but both have won national championships and had Heisman winners.  These are two of the most historically important teams in the nation.  Some people still do appreciate football history.)

The ACC is actually fairly stable.  They would likely only make an expansion move if forced to.  And the only schools that might potentially leave are the three newest ones that were stolen from the Big East a decade ago.  The SEC won't grab at Miami nor BC, so the only possible defector from the ACC is VT.  Otherwise, this conference is solid.

I don't see any signs that the SEC is aggressively seeking to acquire teams nor dismantle the Big XII.  They already have the strongest conference in the land.  Over-expansion can only weaken it.  They have responded to TAMU's interest; they may take two teams in order to add an even number, but I would be shocked if they took more than that.

The Pac-12 is the only really aggressive conference here.  Expect to see the Big East be the conference to swoop in and clean up the remains once the Pac-12 is done-- not the Big 10.  The Big 10 will stand pat; the SEC will only expand cautiously and incrementally.  Teams from the Big XII north will find a nice home in the Big East, where having 12 teams will solidify the BE, and enhance the Big East's basketball presence.

As for Texas, I think the two most likely scenarios are the Pac-12 or Independence.  Another alternative may be a situation like Notre Dame's, where they maintain football independence but participate in a conference for all other sports.  BYU will discover like Notre Dame before them that the smaller sports cannot survive without conference partners.  Texas will learn the same thing if they try to maintain independence.  Only football is lucrative enough to survive on its own.



Since: Nov 5, 2007
Posted on: September 5, 2011 6:05 pm
 

Schools have called Pac-12; Big 12 days numbered?

Besides, didn't 95% of the country think Pitt and 'Cuse were locks to join the Big Ten last year? It didnt' happen then, and I don't see it happening any time soon. In the words of Delaney, QUALITY over QUANTITY.
No, 95% of the country (all but western NY, PA) thought it would turn out just about the way it did . . .



Since: Sep 15, 2010
Posted on: September 5, 2011 3:48 pm
 

Schools have called Pac-12; Big 12 days numbered?

The WAC tried to do this superconference idea already. Then half of the original WAC split into the mountain west.
The same thing will happen when all the conferences have 16 teams in them. They will split when they figure out it is financially unfeasable.
The fans of those teams can't afford to go to away games. At least now they can go to every conference game that is away. It won't work.
It's just designed to squeeze out teams in the Mountain West, C-USA, wac and Big East from getting any prime post-season games, when they have that one every ten year chance to get in.

Who's kidding who?
The WAC is different because the schools did not have a large enough fanbase, athletic budget, or TV contract to support the travel cost associated with a superconference.  Also, I believe college football was still playing an 11 game regular season (12 games if you played in one of the preseason classics) at the time.  So, that ment if the WAC wanted to play 9 conference games then schools could only play 2 non-conference games.  In some cases schools are already locked into 1 or 2 non-conference games because of traditional rivalries, which hurts the schools since non-conference games were ways the schools can make a nice pay day.

Air Force:  Army & Navy
BYU:  Utah St
Utah:  Utah St
New Mexico:  New Mexico St
Colorado St:  Colorado
UNLV:  Nevada




Since: Jun 12, 2010
Posted on: September 5, 2011 2:20 pm
 

Schools have called Pac-12; Big 12 days numbered?

Lots of speculation today, and a lot of uneducated guesses. Here is how it breaks out folks. Pac -12 takes OU and OSU. Big 10 swoops in and takes UT, and goes after Pitt, Maryland, and Rutgers.  It is all about the TV sets, DC, NYC, and Baltimore. If the B10 pulls this off, hats off to Delaney. Notre Dame left in the wind.


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