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BYU not a sure thing for independence just yet

Posted on: August 19, 2010 11:39 am
Edited on: August 19, 2010 3:17 pm
 

If you don't believe BYU as an independent is a done -- and a lot of people don't -- consider another Mountain West option.

With BYU, the MWC is currently at 11 teams. There are still questions about whether financially and athletically (putting its minor sports in the West Coast Conference) BYU is viable as an independent. In that scenario, the MWC isn't going stay at 11. Hello, Houston, maybe Texas-El Paso from Conference USA which could make it a 12-team league with two six-team divisions. The drawback is, as usual, money. Current MWC members are making a paltry $1.5 million in television revenue. Conference USA makes about the same amount.

CUSA also has seven bowl tie-ins compared to five for the MWC. I know for a fact that UTEP doesn't want to lean West for its fans' sake. It likes being in the Mountain and Central time zone. Don't know about Houston. 

 

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Since: Feb 2, 2009
Posted on: August 22, 2010 3:38 pm
 

BYU not a sure thing for independence just yet

kimdaddy35 makes a VERY good point. If BYU leaves the MWC, they are a shoo-in for a lucrative ESPN contract (having such a large national following) and any game not boradcast on ESPN will be on BYU-TV (a station that is available on almost EVERY basic cable/sattelite package) in HD. No more frustration with having Versus and not TheMtn or vice versa. Leaving the conference would be a MAJOR increase in TV revenue and is definitely a pro for leaving the conference.

As far as the schedule goes. Why wouldn't they be able to get early games with any MWC school they want (2-3 games against CSU/UNLV/BSU/AFA/TCU)? Then you throw in a couple of WAC games (Utah State, Hawaii, etc), add Utah as a rivalry game, and start topping off the schedule with other independents (Navy, Army, ND). All the sudden their schedule is locked for 7-9 games. Then you toss in one or two (more) PAC-10 schools (Washington/Oregon State/Arizona/UCLA) and a BIG-XII school (OU/Texas-2011,2013,2014 already/Kansas/TX-Tech/TX-A&M) and the schedule is at 10-12 scheduled games. If BYU went independent and guaranteed games with a conference (as was expected with the WAC) then scheduling would be made even easier. I think this is a toss-up since schools will be more willing to play BYU with more money on the table in TV exposure and a 64,000+ Lavell Edward's Stadium.

Basketball is tough, since the WAC is all but dismantled and has become a one team league (Utah State), but the WCC is not that bad of an option. With BYU, St Mary's, and Gonzaga, the league would be solid at the top and could progress in a few short years into a 3-bid league, just as the MWC has done in the recent past. However, this has to be considered a con to independence since the MWC is starting to get some national respect.

The final point worth noting is that while there is DEFINITELY more money in leaving the MWC as far as TV revenue goes, it might not be enough to off-set the loss if they left and then the MWC became a BCS automatic qualifying conference. With the MWC only one team short of a conference championship they are in a good spot to gain AQ-status and be a national player. Adding Houston would make the MWC look like the following

West:
BSU/SDSU/FSU/Nevada/UNLV/BYU

East
AFA/Wyoming/Houston/TCU/UNM/CSU

This conference would be stellar and would be worth staying for. Othwerwise, I say go for the increased exposure (ESPN/BYU-TV) and increased revenues that would come with independence.



Since: Aug 21, 2010
Posted on: August 22, 2010 11:37 am
 

BYU not a sure thing for independence just yet

All the buzz this week in college football has been about whether BYU will leave the Mountain West conference and choose to play football as a major independent like Notre Dame. Like many difficult decisions, there are both pros and cons to such a bold move.




Since: Dec 22, 2008
Posted on: August 21, 2010 11:43 am
 

BYU not a sure thing for independence just yet

"  I can see a "conference" of BYU, ND, Vandy, Duke, Rice, TCU, Army, Navy, and Air Force.  Like-minded schools tired of playing schools that are filthy"

Sounds like The Ivy League. Unless you plan on getting out of big boy football, it doesn't make much sense. The previous post called it but:

Notre Dame would never give up their TV contract for this.
Army and Navy have no need or desire to go to a conference. They are a conference of 3 for the Commander In Cheif's Trophy.
Vandy would be crazy to leave the SEC for this.
Duke would not leave take it's BB team out of the ACC for this.

Not feasible.



Since: Mar 15, 2008
Posted on: August 20, 2010 3:25 pm
 

BYU not a sure thing for independence just yet

  I can see a "conference" of BYU, ND, Vandy, Duke, Rice, TCU, Army, Navy, and Air Force.  Like-minded schools tired of playing schools that are filthynow thats hillariuos!  Notre Dame cares about one thing and one thing only....MONEY!

...and based on the news this week BYU's only concern is making more of it as well. 

And you arent really dumb enough to think Vandy is interested in giving up their SEC gravy train are you?

Duke? PLEASE, ya im sure they cant wait to get out of the ACC basketball contracts and rivalries and that BCS conf. football money means nothing to them.


so congrats, that is the dumbest post of the day



Since: Oct 15, 2006
Posted on: August 20, 2010 1:47 pm
 

BYU not a sure thing for independence just yet

Anyone that thinks BYU isn't playing from a position of strength hasn't been paying attention.  Why did Colorado and Nebraska leave the Big 12 for greener pastures???  It was about TV Revenue. 
BYU will make 3 to 4 times more money if they leave the conference!  Estimates have ESPN willing to pay anywhere from 1 million per home game to 2 million per BYU home game.  Currently BYU makes 1.5 million in TV Revenue per year.  Add into this the ability to put other games in HD on BYU TV and you have not only more exposure, but more money! 
What are the downsides?  Everyone talks about the losing some key rivalries.  Yes, it will be sad not to play Air Force every year, but honestly the rivalry that BYU cares most about is Utah.  This would allow them to play every year and keep the main rivalry going (sorry Wyoming, but BYU fans couldn't care less about playing you). 
Schedule:  Why does everyone think that BYU will all of the sudden not be able to schedule anyone.  Army and Navy can do it, but BYU can't?  That seems odd.  The schedule will get better, not worse.  Texas just signed on and is bigger than TCU (sorry Horned Frogs, I think very highly of your program and your coach but you are not Texas).  Utah will be on the schedule every year.  Expect Notre Dame to be on the schedule as well.  You have already added in about 5 minutes a stronger schedule than the MWC can generate. 
Basketball:  The WCC this last year is not as good as the MWC.  This is true.  But it also has one team in Gonzaga that year in year out is better than any team in the MWC.  Add in a St Mary's program that is rock solid and BYU and you have the making of a pretty good basketball conference.  Remember that until a couple of years ago the MWC was a one or two bid league.  Going to the WCC is not really that big of a downgrade.  Then add in the fact that they will be on ESPN and not on the Mountain and I see this as positive again. 

Expect BYU to leave the MWC.  Why?  There is so much to gain and so little to lose.  I can see why all of the fans of other schools are so upset.  Two years ago on the Mountain Network every school in the MWC picked BYU as their biggest rival in football (amazing to me considering Wyoming and CSU.  I thought would have been a shoo in as putting each other as their natural biggest rival).  BYU has by far the largest fan base and revenue streams in the MWC and that is a huge loss for the conference if they leave. 



Since: Dec 22, 2008
Posted on: August 20, 2010 11:53 am
 

BYU not a sure thing for independence just yet

The more I think about this, the more think going independent will be a lot tougher than BYU thinks. I wonder how much of this is the sting of knowing that in 2011, Utah will be in a much better conference than them. I think they would rather be in no conference than be in lesser conference than utah. The independent route has potetial; just be careful what you ask for.



Since: Oct 1, 2006
Posted on: August 20, 2010 12:40 am
 

BYU not a sure thing for independence just yet

Mountain West offered Utah State what would be their 12 spot already.  Utah st. only declined because they didn't believe at the time that Nevada and Fresno would go.  But I bet the USU AD and president are already back in contact with the commisioner of the Mt. West, and will take the final spot, pending BYU's desision to stay or go.  Another wrench is the possiblity of TCU leaving the MWC as well... Their coach seemed to be privy to knowledge about possible movement that nobody else is yet aware of...



Since: Jul 15, 2010
Posted on: August 19, 2010 9:10 pm
 

BYU not a sure thing for independence just yet

I can see BYU as an Indy.  Notre Dame is on their schedule fairly often as of late.  I can see a "conference" of BYU, ND, Vandy, Duke, Rice, TCU, Army, Navy, and Air Force.  Like-minded schools tired of playing schools that are filthy.  8 conference games, no stupid conference championship game, 4 non-con games against good opposition.  Top-flight bowls, too.



Since: Oct 17, 2007
Posted on: August 19, 2010 8:01 pm
 

WAC, C-USA on the road to irrelevance

The future of Conference Usa hinges on Byu's decision. If Byu decides to foolishly leave I think Mwc stays at 10 teams and plays a 9 game conference schedule while making a MWC pact to never schedule BYU again. If Byu wises up and stays I think they then go ahead and add Houston to make it a 12 team conference. Bsu, Unlv, Nevada, Fresno St. SdSt and NewMex in the west with Byu, Wyoming, Colo St. AF, TCU and Houston in east make it a better conference overall then everybody except the SEC, Big 10, and Pac12. LaTech jumps ship and goes C-USA. The WAC at this point is pretty much s.o.l. What 1-aa programs could they add that have the facilities to go d1? Montana and......? I think at some point before their next tv contract the Big East adds at least 1 team and unless that 1 team is Notre Dame, Army or Navy that team is going to come from CUSA. My preference for the Big East's inevitable raid on C-USA would be, in order, East Carolina, Houston, Southern Miss, Memphis, Central Florida. I wonder if whatever teams remain in C-USA would consider bringing in the stragglers of Utah St, Idaho, SjSt, NMSt, and Hawaii? Wouldnt it make more sense for Hawaii to go independent and play 8 home games a year? A merged C-USA/WAC future of UAB vs. Idaho on a Tuesday night is uninspiring at best.  



Since: Oct 5, 2006
Posted on: August 19, 2010 5:00 pm
 

BYU not a sure thing for independence just yet

PAC 16 -- not just about football, two divisions...  if it were this year, who'd win the divisions and the conference title in football?  Thinking out of the east/mountain division.  Basketball?  Toss up.  Having The Pit, Marriot Center, running Rebs...

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