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Delany reveals a new expansion reason

Posted on: May 18, 2010 3:19 pm

CHICAGO -- The population drain from the Rust Belt is a huge issue in Big Ten expansion, commissioner Jim Delany said on Tuesday.

While there was no clarity here during the Big Ten spring meetings about expansion, Delany did make the reasons clearer. It's about the Big Ten Network and that loss of population. The BTN we knew about but population drain?

"We've [in the Big Ten region] been blessed in many ways by the economy and density of the population in the 20th century," Delany said Tuesday. "Our schools have benefited by healthy economies, by strong job markets, by growth, by immigration. In the U.S. the population started off on the East Coast and moved to the Midwest. In the last 20 or 30 years it's been a clear shift to movement into the Sun Belt.

"The Sun Belt [growth is] four times the rate [of population growth] as the East or the Midwest. That has demographic meaning long-term for the economy, for jobs, for recruiting of students, for the recruitment of athletes, for the recruitment of faculty for tax base.

"You do want to look forward to 2020 and 2030 and see what the impact would be on our schools, not only from a competitive intercollegiate aspect but also from the standpoint of recruitment of students, tax base necessary to support colleges and universities." ...

"We're growing; we're just not growing at the same rate as others. The question then becomes: Are there ways to offset that? That's a factor in why we undertook this [expansion] study."

Delany added that there will be no expansion vote taken on June 6. That's the next meeting of the Big Ten presidents.

"You bring the beer, we'll cook the brats," Delany told the assembled, "[But] we don't think there will be any earth-shattering announcements [that day]."



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Since: Feb 11, 2009
Posted on: May 21, 2010 3:16 pm

Delany reveals a new expansion reason

Moving into the south is an outstanding move for the Big Ten if the decision is to go to 16 teams. Beyond Texas the only other candidates that makes sense are in the SEC and ACC. Eliminate all schools in the states of South Carolina, Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi, Arkansas and Tennessee because population density. The remaining SEC schools (UGA, UF, LSU) would not leave the conference because of the cultural fabric.

The remaining ACC schools on the otherhand fall into four categories: A) schools Big Ten would have interest in but has no chance at (UNC, UVA, Duke) B) schools that would expand the footprint of the conference without academic compromise that might listen (Maryland, GT) C) Academics is not up to snuff but could be intresting additions (FSU, Virgina Tech, Miami) D) That leaves Wake Forest and NCSU who are secondary schools in North Carolina and Boston College who is out of the south footprint.

There is no need to mention UNC, Duke, or UVA in the conversation because those schools have little incentive to leave the ACC. UNC and UVA is at the top of athletics in terms of donor contributions, a move to the Big Ten would harm those relationships. They are two of the few schools that actually generate more money from donor contributions than from TV rights. If the Big Ten has interest in Vanderbilt, Duke had to be a topic of conversation (larger state, and bigger Sports profile nationally).

While I can not fathom a practical reason for Georgia Tech to move the Big Ten, Maryland could be a big boost to the conference outside of football and athletics in general. It has prime location, not only for TV markets (Baltimore and Washington DC) but also to seats of power. Politicans attending games is nothing new, imagine the flock of national representatives that will flock to Byrd Stadium (which is about 30 minutes away from DC) for those Big Ten schools that travel well. Truth of the matter is that having more ties to Washington will not hurt any university.

FSU, Miami, and VT would add "football" to the conference but is that enough to overlook academic profile?

Since: Jan 3, 2007
Posted on: May 20, 2010 10:00 pm

Delany reveals a new expansion reason

Why not just take the 20 most successful schools of the last decade and form a new conference every ten years since tradition means nothing and revenue potential means everything? Wouldn't that be great for college athletics and TV companies?

Since: Aug 17, 2006
Posted on: May 20, 2010 9:29 pm

Delany reveals a new expansion reason

You are right, NYC is a great football town. There are a lot of old school Notre Dame fans there. Rutgurs has made strides in the last few years, and can be a solid program if they keep getting better. The population of the country is shifting, and it's good to see the Big 10 looking ahead.

Some dope wrote that Paterno is afraid of Pitt, W VA, and Syracuse, but wants Rutgurs as a patsy. long has it been since Syracuse has been better than Rutgurs in football.

Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: May 20, 2010 7:04 pm

Delany reveals a new expansion reason

They get 70 cents per TV household in the states they have schools in and 10 cents per household elsewhere... The Big Ten network may be on your dial, but it could be making a lot more money.

Since: Jan 2, 2010
Posted on: May 20, 2010 2:13 pm

Delany reveals a new expansion reason

Everybody knows (especially Al Gore) the sun belt is migrating north.  Just sit back and wait for the coasts to go underwater and the rest to become unbearably hot.  Everyone will want to live in the steamy jungles of Indiana then.

Everyone will be heading to the sunny ocean side beaches of Oregon and Nevada! 

Since: Mar 17, 2009
Posted on: May 20, 2010 1:15 pm

Delany reveals a new expansion reason

Mizzou is not the key they are begging to get into the Big Ten. We have to cause the Big East to crumble. They should insted go South and pick up Loisville and Kentucky and Mizzou and maybe Vanderbilt and Notre Dame. That is the best idea.

Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: May 20, 2010 10:33 am

Delany reveals a new expansion reason

NYC is not nor ever will be a football town.I disagree completely.  NYC is a great Pro-Football town. NYC is a great Pro-Sports town in general.  It is just not a College Football town.  At least the Big East Basketball Tournament does capture the Big Apple's attention.

In general, I agree that Rutgers will not deliver  the NYC media market in a big way.  Rutgers did manage to capture NYC's attention for a week or two a couple years ago, but that was a rare occurrence.  But dominating the NYC market is not what is needed.  Capturing a small slice is all that is needed to allow the Big Ten Network to expand into that media market.  People need to keep in mind that the Big Ten is merely doing a market research study at this point.  Who knows what the findings will be?  It may be found that adding UConn, Rutgers and Syracuse would still not carve out an acceptable slice of the NYC market.

Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: May 20, 2010 10:10 am

Delany reveals a new expansion reason

You Pitt fans just don't get it.  It is no knock on Pitt, it is just a matter that the Panthers don't bring anything to the Big Ten from a new media market standpoint.  Pitt easily meets the Big Ten's academic, athletic and regional requirements, but Pitt does not meet the financial requirement.  Pitt does not bring the Big Ten a new media market, as Western PA is already covered due to Penn St.  Have you listened to what Delany is saying?  The Big Ten wants to expand it's media market base to offset the fact that population growth in the Sun Belt States is greater than in the Rust Belt States.  Pitt does not help the Big Ten in that regard.

This is not to say that Pitt has no value to anyone.  The Big East loves the access Pitt brings to the Western PA media market.  I bet the ACC and the SEC would love to access that market too. 

Since: Jan 6, 2010
Posted on: May 19, 2010 3:38 pm

Delany reveals a new expansion reason

They do have better national TV ratings by far over any other B10 expansion candidates except for ND and Nebraska though.

Obviously, I agree with your thread but does Nebraska really have TV ratings that are that significant?  They brag about filling their 80,000 seat mausoleum but would that not account for all those with any interest in them?

Well, I am sure one of their billions of supporters will correct my poor take on the question.

One more point Joggin George, I have posted on other threads and I find the same disrespect for Pitt.

If the greed mongers of the Big 10 decimate the Big East where do you think Pitt, WVU, and Syracuse go? Forget Rutgers because many of the posters feel they could deliver the NY media market...of course they can't for the obvious reason...NYC is not nor ever will be a football town. As for their basketball it is below pathetic....and with all that talent in NYC that truly breeds the best players in the country.

Since: Mar 4, 2009
Posted on: May 19, 2010 3:25 pm

Delany reveals a new expansion reason

i had to quoit reading your article. illegible.

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