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New developments in Big Ten expansion

Posted on: April 18, 2010 4:09 pm
Edited on: April 18, 2010 5:36 pm
 

It seems that some values may have to be compromised in this expansion-go-round that was turned up a notch on Sunday.

The Big Ten prides itself on the academic exclusivity of its institutions. All 11 universities are members of the Association of American Universities. As you can read here, the AAU is a "nonprofit organization of 62 leading public and private research universities in the United States and Canada.  Founded in 1900 to advance the international standing of U.S. research universities ...

"AAU member universities are on the leading edge of innovation, scholarship, and solutions that contribute to the nation's economy, security, and well-being.  The 60 AAU universities in the United States award more than one-half of all U.S. doctoral degrees and 55 percent of those in the sciences and engineering."

Neither Connecticut nor Notre Dame, two schools prominently mentioned in Big Ten expansion, are AAU members. One line of thinking has it that commissioner Jim Delany wants Connecticut because it would help the conference's reach in the Northeast (New England and New York area).  The addition of Notre Dame would have a national impact.

Even without Notre Dame, Delany could conceivably make a run at the New York market with a three-school combination of Rutgers, UConn and Syracuse. 

That's why Sunday's reported meeting of high-ranking Big Ten officials is so important. The Chicago Tribune reported Sunday that the conference's expansion timetable has moved up. It would have been easy for those Big Ten officials to meet considering the AAU is meeting in Washington D.C. through Tuesday. That's the same day as when the BCS meetings begin in Phoenix, lasting through Thursday.

Michigan president Mary Sue Coleman is one of the 11 members of the AAU's Executive Committee.

To get an idea of how academically exclusive the Big Ten is, consider that the BCS conference with next most AAU members is the Big 12 (seven). The Pac-10 has six.

Comments

Since: Apr 22, 2009
Posted on: April 20, 2010 3:10 pm
 

New developments in Big Ten expansion

As an Ohio native and Notre Dame fan, I am all for the Irish moving to the big ten. However, it will likely never happen due to the simple fact that Notre Dame would be losing money. They get the freedom of scheduling who they want, and have very little reason to change after all these years.



Since: Nov 26, 2006
Posted on: April 19, 2010 12:39 pm
 

New developments in Big Ten expansion

CIC is a non-issue. It is the Big Ten schools and the University of Chicago. So, really, NO other schools in Division I-A are in the CIC. AAU is the issue.-dd Either your logic is severely challenged or your writing is. I would think that both are qualities that would serve a writer in abundance.

Saying the CIC is a non'issue is like saying the Big Ten is a non-issue.

The important point is that ALL CIC members are also AAU member institutions and it is likely that they would want to keep it that way. Mary Sue would need significant motivation to recommend an exception.

Lets just agree that any expansion has to come from a current AAU member unless they hail from South Bend, IN.

I could recommend an on-line remedial writing course at your request.

XOXO

Jalopy



Since: Feb 8, 2008
Posted on: April 19, 2010 11:30 am
 

New developments in Big Ten expansion

CIC is a non-issue. It is the Big Ten schools and the University of Chicago. So, really, NO other schools in Division I-A are in the CIC. AAU is the issue.

dd



Since: Feb 26, 2009
Posted on: April 19, 2010 11:07 am
 

New developments in Big Ten expansion


The following posts are my thoughts on five super conferences. 16 teams in each. 8 per division. Play 7 division games. 5 games left for traditional rivalries OOC. One CCG. One Bowl game. Build in a bye week and this will put us in the middle of December where there is a void now between CCGs and Bowl Games.Have fun. (Oh after further consideration; BYU to Big 12 and Idaho to the Pac West)


Pac West North

Oregon
Oregon St.
Washington
Washington St.
Nevada
UNLV
Idaho
Hawaii

Pac West South

Arizona
Arizona St.
USC
UCLA
Stanford
Cal
Fresno St.
San Diego Checkou how this would look

Big East Coast North Division

Pitt
Cincy
WVU
Marshall
Louisville
Conneticut
Syracuse
BC

Big ECC South Division

Wake Forrest
NC State
Maryland
Virginia Tech
Virginia
Duke
East Carolina
North CarolinaCheckout how this would look

SEC East

Florida
Florida St.
Miami
USF
Georgia
Georgia Tech
South Carolina
Clemson

SEC West

Tennesee
Vanderbilt
Alabama
Auburn
LSU
Kentucky
Ole Miss
Mississippi St.
Checkout how this would look

Big 12 south division

Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech
Baylor
Arkansas
TCU
Oklahoma St.
Houston

Big 12 North

Iowa St.
Kansas St.
Kansas
Colorado
Boise St.
Idaho
Utah
New Mexico
  Checkout how this would look

Big 10 Great Lakes division

OSU
Michigan
Michigan St.
ND
Penn St.
Rutgers
Wisconson
Northwestern

High Plains Division

Iowa
Oklahoma
Minnasota
Illinois
Missouri
Nebraska
Indiana
Purdue



Since: Nov 26, 2006
Posted on: April 19, 2010 9:08 am
 

New developments in Big Ten expansion

Or maybe just expand to ND and they could do $466 million a year to research how to keep priests out of little boys pants.  lol! You sure $466MM is enough?



Since: Jul 18, 2008
Posted on: April 19, 2010 8:03 am
 

New developments in Big Ten expansion

"The sharing of a billion dollar research fund means that football dollars are only a part of the financial discussion for the Big Ten, as compared to most conferences.  Big Ten institutions are also, along with charter member the University Chicago, part of the , which shares a $5.6 billion research fund."

I don't think this is accurate.  There are several levels of cooperation and collaboration between the CIC universities, but they do not actually share a research fund.  I think the 5.6B in funds that you reference is actually the amount of "funded research" that the member institutions engage in.

In reality, the AAU is the bar here.  Any institution that is a member of the AAU will fit into the CIC, as the AAU criteria is a sufficient bar for membership in the CIC.



Since: Aug 1, 2007
Posted on: April 19, 2010 4:32 am
 

New developments in Big Ten expansion

 

So let's see, there are 12 members of the CIC, which means if they are dividing 5.6 billion... umm 12 goes into 5.6... hmmmm... it's about $466 million per school, give or take a little... What's a few million among friends... So, you guys need a AAU member that brings in about $466 million a year in research a year...  I got it!

Big 11... invite UF to join!  UF topped $500 million in 2006 and is a member of the AAU.  But, like any real school, UF would be taking a pay cut to join.  And while this example sounds silly, doesn't it show the basic problem?  One party or another is going to get the short end of the stick.  If a school gets more than the average cut of research money... why join?  To take a cut in funds and lose autonomy?  And if the school falls short, why should the Big 11 take them?  To maybe make the money up in sports revenue... where the money will also be getting divided up one additional way?

Or... here is another idea.  Chicago is already a member of the CIC.  Just graft a sports program onto that university.  Maybe they could just buy one or something...  They could use Soldier Field.  It's not like the Bears are doing anything with it.  They could play baseball at Wrigley... The Cubs surely aren't doing anything there.

Or maybe just expand to ND and they could do $466 million a year to research how to keep priests out of little boys pants. 

The sharing of a billion dollar research fund means that football dollars are only a part of the financial discussion for the Big Ten, as compared to most conferences.  Big Ten institutions are also, along with charter member the University Chicago, part of the , which shares a $5.6 billion research fund

The Big Ten is almost assuredly going to want to maintain the distinction of having all members as part of the AAU.  But at minimum, any school would need to be a research focused institution with a likelihood of attaining membership and a commitment to working to do so.




Since: Sep 14, 2007
Posted on: April 19, 2010 1:32 am
 

New developments in Big Ten expansion

From an Iowa fan perspective, I could handle expansion only if the conference isn't split East/West.  It wouldn't bother me so much having to travel to New Jersey or Pittsburgh every once in a while just to avoid that trap of having 2 Big Tens.  I don't want to hear that Michigan and/or Penn State got the short end of the stick because OSU won their conference (again) leaving them out of a conference championship against an opponent would have dominated.  I like the way things are now, that all teams rotate their schedules.  You don't play everyone every year but there isn't anyone you never play.

I want to see a rotating schedule of "Blue" and "Gold" divisions.  Rivalries are maintained but every year a different set of teams are in each division.  no North/South, no East/West.



Since: Mar 26, 2010
Posted on: April 19, 2010 12:56 am
 

New developments in Big Ten expansion

What do they have to offer?

Are they in strong TV markets? Not really, the B10 Network wouldn't benefit from them nearly as much as a Rutgers.
If you're arguing that Rutgers is more of a "brand name" than Maryland, North Carolina or Duke, you're sadly mistaken. I think the importance of the NY market for college sports is drastically overrated. The BTN might get more subscribers from cable systems in the mid-Atlantic area than it would in New York, since even with Rutgers and Syracuse in the mix (forget Connecticut, it's not established enough for the "old money" Big Ten), it's not a sure thing that area cable systems would put the BTN on the basic tier.



Since: Nov 26, 2006
Posted on: April 18, 2010 11:34 pm
 

New developments in Big Ten expansion

Can they join? Not only can they, they and the Big Ten wouldn't even think twice if both sides agreed. @dd,

Isn't that a little bit misleading? If both sides agree then academic issues have already been addressed. Since the CIC shares research dollars the existing schools would take a big hit if a non-AAU schools were admitted. The athletic program would have to rake in huge dollars (ND) to overcome this obstacle.

Ruling the world (said tongue in cheek) is not an issue, but you can bet your last razor (bald head reference) that B10 subscriber fees is.

Again, I think Mizzou and Rutgers are locks and ND is nibbling at the carrot

Jalopy


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